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The Science Is Settled!

Posted on | October 8, 2013 | 88 Comments

Having a married mom and dad is better for children, according to a Canadian study that, among other things, finds “daughters of gay parents displaying dramatically low graduation rates.” Fortunately, despite all the noise about gay marriage, most gay people have zero interest in raising children and, because gay sex obviously doesn’t produce offspring, very few gay people ever procreate.

These are just facts, people.

Jeff Goldstein notices that facts are unfashionable nowadays:

Rejection of common sense biological and evolutionary observations are much in vogue among the social engineers and their activist counterparts. But it bears repeating — yet again — that wishing something were so, because in your mind a just world would make it so, does not, in fact, replace what is. And yet it is we who are labeled anti-science — albeit by those whose idea of science is the politicized kind that can be “settled” and based around contemporary consensus when empirical data doesn’t fall their way.

We are descending into a new Dark Ages of mystic belief, where socialized medicine is fiscally responsible, where illegal immigrants have more rights than do American citizens, where sodomy is normal and people who don’t regularly engage in sodomy are considered weird.

 

Category: Gays, Marriage

Comments

88 Responses to “The Science Is Settled!”

  1. Regular Right Guy
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:25 am

    Coulda fooled the Apostle Paul, huh.

  2. JasonD
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:42 am

    If that is the case, then one could just as easily point to the social stigma still attached to homosexuality and especially gay marriage courtesy of anti-LGBT people, and especially the one’s represented on this blog, for the root cause of the high drop-out rates. If those young women faced less social hostility and more support from the community they would have a better self-esteem and would more likely graduate high school.

  3. RS
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:45 am

    I note, you don’t even bother with presenting a refutation of the facts themselves, or positing any arguments that the conclusions drawn from those facts are invalid. You go directly to an ad hominem attack on a commenter. Thus, you manage to provide the perfect example for the post’s thesis.

    Bravo!

    In a perfect world, such studies would form a spring board for additional research, which research would fine-tune the methodology to further refine the data. The reasons for this are obvious. Among others, the correlation between high school graduation rates and same sex households is quite pronounced in this study.

  4. richard mcenroe
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:45 am

    Just close your eyes and think of Rudy Gallindo.

    Uh, somebody told me that…

  5. Jack
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:51 am

    Yeah, but you’re an actual Nazi:

    “He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, elimination from the reproductive process those very men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice, however, was that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked”.
    Rudolh Diels, first chief of the Gestapo, reporting a conversation with Hitler.

  6. jack
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:54 am

    “Homonormative chimp…” Yeah, you’re not prejudiced or anything! Not even sure what that’s supposed to mean but I’d have to guess it’s a crack at supporting the normalization of homosexuality in society? Yeah, better to hate and ostracize Herr Diehl’s.

    “He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, elimination from the reproductive process those very men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice, however, was that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked”.
    Rudolh Diels, first chief of the Gestapo, reporting a conversation with Hitler.

    I could have pulled a quote like that off of Mr.s Himmler’s hates site or from FRC literature.

  7. Jack
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:55 am

    I could have just as easily pulled a quote like that off your website. sad, isn’t it?

  8. RS
    October 9th, 2013 @ 11:57 am

    You obviously missed the part about this study being based on Canadian data which a much longer history of toleration for gay unions and marriage. You also don’t understand that the study demonstrates a correlation only and does not posit causation. Actual causation for any deviation from the norm among individuals may differ significantly. Rather, the data presented here demonstrates a marked statistical deviation from the “norm.” The question is, does such a statistical deviation warrant additional research? In a world where the pursuit of Truth is not constrained by agendas, it would in a heartbeat. Dare I say, if the study demonstrated that children of heterosexual, evangelical Christian married parents were 65% less likely to graduate from college, we’d have already skipped the additional research and gone directly to the conclusion that said persons should not be parenting children.

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  10. JasonDD
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:07 pm

    I know the study doesn’t posit causation but if one had to speculate about causation I would say it’s the result of social hostility and lack of acceptance of homosexuals and gay couples(especially with children)even inside supposedly tolerant Canada. It would even be an issue inside NYC or Los Angeles because the culture is no longer confined to a small piece of geography. I do agree that it warrant’s extended research since the phenomenon of gay couples raising children is so new and we won’t really see the effects for at least another generation. But I would guess that the cause of low drop-out rates is less about the couples “gayness” and more about economics, lack of support, social stigma, etc. much like the high drop-out rates we find amongst poor blacks. And if evangelical, hetero Christian couples have high drop out rates i would assume the cause is home schooling, lack of real education, and teaching the bible as a literal historical document even down to the belief that man and dinosaur co-existed like in the Flintstones.

  11. rmnixondeceased
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

    I see you are switching identies again to escape Wombats banhammer.
    Shoo! You are as obsessed as Bill Schmuckfeldt!

  12. Alessandra
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:11 pm

    Brown boot wearing homonormative chimp, this one!

  13. rmnixondeceased
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:12 pm

    He is as obsessed as BS is! He also just switched identities again!

  14. Alessandra
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:12 pm

    They can’t stand people with a conscience – we speak of everything he wants to so desperately erase from his conscience

  15. rmnixondeceased
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:18 pm

    the belief that man and dinosaur co-existed like in the Flintstones
    Strawman.
    Your progressive agenda and stupidity are showing assclown.

  16. Alessandra
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

    I just commented on the perverts in Greece today.

    Direct result of how much they despised women in particular – treated them like dogs; and, with such perverted minds, turned to other men. Not to mention how they abused children and their sophisticated slavery system

    LGBT – People with a history of being such garbage!

  17. Dianna Deeley
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:34 pm

    Humor. Ever heard of it?

  18. RS
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:36 pm

    The problem is that you cannot have it both ways. The same economic arguments have used to dismiss studies going back decades which show marked, sub-optimal statistical deviations in educational results for children of “non-traditional” households. Every time, it is not the composition of the household which is blamed, but rather, there is a rush to find something–anything–to be the culprit. The reason is simple: In our post-modern rush to deconstruct everything, to eliminate Truth, as a basis for decision making, we desperately try to jettison all the social institutions which have stood us in good stead for millenia.

    As for the Flinstone snark, I’m sure you’re smart enough to realize that innumerable studies have shown higher educational success rates among Christian home-schoolers/parochial students v. public school students.

  19. ChrisDavis2011
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

    My fellow RSMites and Smittyites – the sodomites will have no problemo creating spawn for their unholy unions….

    Never fear, India surrogacy is here!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24275373

    PS – The alleged ban on a surrogacy ban on gay or unmarried parents has been stuck in Parliament for some time.

  20. ChrisDavis2011
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:38 pm

    Fellow RSMites and Smittyites – the sodomites will have no problemo creating spawn for their unholy unions….

    Never fear, India surrogacy is here!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/maga…

    PS – The alleged ban on a surrogacy ban on gay or unmarried parents has been stuck in Parliament for some time.

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  22. Oshtur
    October 9th, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

    So another study that compares a group that includes unmarried couples together only at the time of study with a group of of exclusively married couples. As long as the study also includes an opposite sex group that includes all opposite sex couples regardless of marital status it would be a reasonable comparison.
    It doesn’t? It would have seemed to be a simple thing to do and give a more comparable result.

    What could their motivation be?

  23. Fareedi al Laayla al Qakhaul
    October 9th, 2013 @ 1:37 pm

    Lockheed Martin and Hormel…

  24. Fareedi al Laayla al Qakhaul
    October 9th, 2013 @ 1:42 pm

    This wouldn’t involve pederasts, would it?

  25. Oshtur
    October 9th, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

    I agree. The obvious next study is to compare a similar grouping of mixed unmarried and married opposite sex couples raising children with the similar same sex one this study uses to see if the differences are as pronounced.

    Obviously this study could have done this but didn’t for some reason, leaving it up to someone else to research this important comparison.

  26. Dana
    October 9th, 2013 @ 1:58 pm

    It’s hardly a surprise that our friends who like to take a little walk on the Wilde side would jump right in, to try to explain away the facts and the data. They really have little choice: in their struggle against the age-old concept of heteronormativity, they must do what they can or consent to the label of abnormal.

    That is what the struggle for same-sex “marriage” is all about: trying to use the power of government to define their very-much-minority sexual orientation as something that’s really normal. Yet, now that some states and countries have gone along with their wishes, the data are coming back and demonstrating that what they tell us is just as good as normal marriage is producing different, and inferior, results.

    Some of us are not surprised.

  27. RS
    October 9th, 2013 @ 2:23 pm

    Our hosts ironic title to his post notwithstanding, no one believes research should stop with this study. The problem is, those with a political agenda draw a conclusion which the study does not make and will then attempt to stifle all further efforts to look at the issue. As pointed out by others above, it has been the M.O. for the last three decades with any data that is remotely critical of any parenting arrangement other than traditional marriage.

  28. concern00
    October 9th, 2013 @ 2:25 pm

    Homosexual predilection as a genetic trait is just totally at odds with genetics, not to mention that ‘theory of evolution’. The closest they’re going to get to ‘born this way’ is possibly an in-utero defect which the grateful left will abort with gay abandon. The most logical assessment is that like the majority of predilections and consequent behaviors, it is learned, practiced, reinforced until it appears to the poor soul to be very hard to change (ie requiring commitment and willpower).

    But the whole ‘born this way’ meme is fatally flawed and inherently contradictory, just like the whole LGBTQWTF Coalition of Deviance. To claim dispensation for your bad behavior based on a poor birth outcome is yet another unstoppable slippery slope. Just think race…which is clearly a born this way issue…we’d never offer dispensation for bad and criminal behavior simply based on race, would we? That would never happen…never never never…

  29. concern00
    October 9th, 2013 @ 2:31 pm

    Total nonsense. Those societies that have effectively normalized aberrant homosexual behavior still have their ever so loving homosexual practitioners killing themselves at abnormal rates.

    The self esteem problems with those who practice homosexual behavior are inherent to the lifestyle.

  30. Oshtur
    October 9th, 2013 @ 2:36 pm

    Yes, like the Regenerus study, this one seems like a deliberate attempt to show groups dissimilar in significant ways and then only talk about the sexes of parent(s). The data is interesting but the summary seems deliberately provocative and vague and with the actual paper not yet accessible I think it will need some close examination.

  31. Oshtur
    October 9th, 2013 @ 3:05 pm

    The study shows that children raised by married 2 parent homes do better when compared to groups where the parents are not necessarily married or have not necessarily been together for any extended period.

    Where is the similar group of opposite sex parents similarly selected as the same sex ones? It would have been easy to do and would have been a better comparison.

    Its been known for years that a stable home environment (which marriage generally indicates) and 2 parents are the best indicators of a good child rearing result. Unless you are going to compare that with a similar group that only differs by the sexes of the parents you don’t really know anything that wasn’t already know.

    Look at the tricks in the Regenerus study – they compared kids who had been raised with the same parents all their lives with a group that had 14% of the kids having spent time in foster homes. Just knowing these two facts who would think the comparison wouldn’t favor the first group?

    Honest research would go a long way to making these studies be better received. Have a group where kids have been raised most of their lives by one set of same sex parents and compare that with a similar group of opposite sex ones. or like in this group compare a mixed group of married and cohabitating same sex parents with a similar group of opposite sex parents.

    Do honest research and let the chips fall where they may, don’t stack the deck by comparing kids with married parents with groups where they aren’t necessarily married.

  32. rmnixondeceased
    October 9th, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

    Heh. Porkulicious!

  33. rmnixondeceased
    October 9th, 2013 @ 4:31 pm

    Leftists have no sense of humor.

  34. Alessandra
    October 9th, 2013 @ 5:36 pm

    Self-serving drivel dressed up as “authority”

  35. Alessandra
    October 9th, 2013 @ 5:38 pm

    Totally – you change the culture and condition men to idolize other men and despise women -and presto! all these turdy homosexuals appear in society!

    “born this way” nothing

  36. let's get along
    October 9th, 2013 @ 9:29 pm

    Doesn’t science also think that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, that humans evolved from apes, and that humans are responsible for ~50% of global warming? And you believe a study that says that children with gay parents have lower graduation rates?

  37. Alessandra
    October 10th, 2013 @ 4:09 am

    What is said is that LGBTs perpetrate a lot of sexual torture and violence in the world, and always have, something the Nazis also liked to do, and then some of these LGBTs come on here and try to smear decent people as “Hitlers.” Sad, isn’t it? When your mind is completely deformed, what else do you do in life?

    What is sad is that you want to do all kinds of harm and violence with impunity all through your life, along with endorsing the same for every other LGBT out there. And then you try to smear anyone who questions your destructive agenda and behaviors as a “Nazi.” Gay 1984 is like that.

    In your view, anyone with knowledge and ethics and who does not clap along to all the harm and destruction that LGBTs are doing in society, which they have also done in other historical moments, is branded a “Hitler.”

    What is also sad is that Hitler, if this quote is right, was being more honest about Greece than you are.

    When you’ve reached the point where you are lying way more than Hitler, it’s just one more clue of how ugly your agenda is.

  38. K-Bob
    October 10th, 2013 @ 6:21 pm

    Heh.